Diagnosed with VWD at age 62!

Hi all...I'm new to this group, so thanks in advance for any help/advice you can give. I started having symptoms of bleeding..ie nosebleeds, bruising, poor clotting around age 57. Last Oct, I had my teeth cleaned and literally hemorrhaged. After 2 days of bleeding, I passed out, and was admitted to the hospital with a concussion, 2 fractured vertebrae, and a diagnosis of VWD Type 2B. I've taken Amicar with success with nosebleeds and gums bleeding. And I've needed Humate P on 4 occasions since my initial diagnosis for more major dental work. It's a hard disease to understand at this age...and the fact that somehow my "female" hormones masked the symptoms for so many years.

I guess I'm interested in hearing from anyone who was diagnosed later in life...and what you found helpful in adjusting. I've cut out the motorcycle riding...I'm doing a lot of hiking and kayaking instead. I'm fearful of traveling "off the beaten track" as I usually do....there is no Humate P in Honduras (I've checked that one out!).

My family has no clue what is going on with me. It's kind of a lonely ride...

Thanks all...I wish all of you well on your journey.

Dear Tesstee,

I started having bad nosebleeds about six years ago. They were treated with the tampon stuffing and that worked sort of. After the second nosebleed (epistaxis to the medically minded) I did the same thing you did, got my teeth cleaned and wound up sitting in the ER for eight hours looking like a vampire after dinner. I don’t remember any family member having coagulation issues, but on my mother’s side there were only one handful of first and second cousins. That would have been about the time vWD was discovered, in a Finnish family, whose family tree looked like Queen Victoria’s greater family and Hemophilia.

After the gum bleed, which was stopped by ddavp infusion,I went to a Hematologist who passed the Doctor Google background check, (that is very important, vWD is sufficiently rare, especially some of the 2 subtypes and type 3, so that many Hematologists only have seen one or two patients. If they stick mostly to Oncology, as many of them do, their up-front knowledge of coagulopathy may be in a dark place in their head. They also won’t be reading the right journals or going to the right meetings.) My Doc did all the usual tests for VWF antigen, Ristoceticn C co-factor. I have type three vWD complicated by very very low factor eight (probably caused by successive uses of Alphanate VWF and Factor VIII factors leading to my body producing antibodies to the alphanate factor infusion. This would be an “autoimmune” response" in Med. Jargon. People who get transfusions or factor infusions often develop this type of response which leads to the search for other paths to stop bleeding.

Another complicating issue for people who go anemic from blood loss and have vWD or Hemophilia A or B, is that Hospitals usually prefer to use packed red blood cells (PRBC). PRBC come from the blood bank with a big chunk of anti-coagulants in them to help preserve them from going bad, (hematolysis) . As I write this, my Hgb has come up to 8.0 g/dL from 7.6 g/dL(grams of Hemoglobin per deciliter of liquid) A deciliter is 100 milliters or a little less than half a 12 0z can. Six weeks ago I had lost about 1.5 Liters of blood after a minor surgery. Desmopressin (ddavp a vaspressor substitute) did nothing for me as it only brings my VWF and Factor VIII up to about 20%. Most type I people can use ddavp effectively in a small spray bottle marketed under the name Stimate. I keep a bottle in the fridge all the time. it will work on a small bleed in my case but appears to do nothing for say a surgical wound or a GI bleed from a vein/artery bundle called an AVM or atrerial-venal-malformation. Baically they look like a bundle of blood vessel coming together. Since veins are low pressure construction and arteries are high-pressure systems, going directly from artery to vein creates a chance for a leak to develop. I have had several of these in the stomach and the first part of the small bowel (the duodenum). An upper GI endoscopy, where they stick a tube down your throat that is capable of being wiggled around, take pictures and cauterize any bleeders they find. Yesterday they found bleeders in the stomach and duodenum and successfully cauterized them. OVernight my Hgb started up again because my body was making Hemoglobin faster than losing it. Hurray!!! At Hgb around 8.0, anemia justifies transfusion. Luckily, there is a blood product ,called apherized blood platelets, that only contains a little anti-coagulant.

My Doctor and I decided to hold off on the apherized blood and keep watch on my Hgb for a few days. Since I didn’t use the new type blood, I won’t develop antibodies for it and it will work the first time they use it in the future. Kind of like keeping one bullet on a necklace, just in case.

The Pharmacist, at my Hospital was able to locate Factor that the company would loan him and only charge on use. At about 5000$ US/dose. I feel very lucky to be close to the only Hospital in Florida that keeps it on the shelf. Just like your experience in Honduras.

As for my day to day activities, I avoid driving more than fifty miles from the hospital. I keep a large box of “pressure bandage” making material in each car and in the house.

I wear heavy leather high top boots around the yard and I always wear gloves. I no longer use gas chain saws ,(DUH!!!) and I am extremely safety-first minded about “sharps”.

So after I get my Hgb above 10.0 I will go back to my four acres and my gardens and have fun, like you, I have a kayak. I also am conscious of pygmy rattlesnakes as they us anti-coagulants to kill you.

So trust your proven good doctors but always verify! That’s what Dr. Google does for you. Keep on the NIH and Mayoclinic sites where there are summary articles about vWD and Hemohilia A. I also google things like “thrombocytopoenia” so I can understand the professional journals jargon.

So here I sit in the Hospital, with my laptop, netflix, google and lots and lots of music. You meet a lot of nice people here and many, if not most, will listen.

I still plant perennials and buy green bananas!!! So don’t get morbid on us!!!Fight the beast with all your might by prior preparation. Learn how to be assertive in Hospitals also. There are ombudsman in many hospitals that help you negotiate with the staff. They are on your side. There is also a Medicare “problem” line that helps you appeal early discharge or incorrect treatment. Use it, it works quickly and Hospital middle management turn pale when Medicare drops a wake-up call on them. make sure you get the Medicare discharge appeal two page handout when you are registered. The number is on the second page.

Love you all,
John the elder

Thanks so much John...my thoughts are with you during this tough period. I appreciate all the information...think I'll re-read your post a few times before I begin to absorb all of it. I will do my best to "fight the beast" :) I'm hiking 5 miles a day and do get the kayak out a few times a week.

It's just a tough disease to understand...and to grasp just what my future will hold. But that's true with most of life, isn't it?

Hi, Testee,

I am a woman, 61 now, but diagnosed about 7 years ago after a teeth cleaning. I too, have had a lot of nose bleeds and bruises, but it's like they come and go. Last year I had a gum surgery after using ddavp inhaler as directed; ended up bleeding & bleeding and going to ER with a huge face ( bleeding into my facial tissue) I was finally hospitalize and they couldn't stop my bleeding for 5 days!!!

This year I switched to Loma Linda University Medical Center and they nailed down the type( no family history) and what I need before procedures and when bleeding, lVlG.

I cannot find the exact diagnosis right now, but it is Acquired, due to some protein my body started producing.

Yours,

Munchie


Hi Munchie...thanks so much for sharing that! Just today, I made an appt. with the Univ of Penn...they have a specialized clinic for Hemophilia and other bleeding disorders. I'll see them in a few weeks. I need more info, need to gain more understanding of what's exactly going on with my body. They've classified me as type 2B, but I just want to be sure. Really appreciate your help.


Munchie said:

Hi, Testee,

I am a woman, 61 now, but diagnosed about 7 years ago after a teeth cleaning. I too, have had a lot of nose bleeds and bruises, but it's like they come and go. Last year I had a gum surgery after using ddavp inhaler as directed; ended up bleeding & bleeding and going to ER with a huge face ( bleeding into my facial tissue) I was finally hospitalize and they couldn't stop my bleeding for 5 days!!!

This year I switched to Loma Linda University Medical Center and they nailed down the type( no family history) and what I need before procedures and when bleeding, lVlG.

I cannot find the exact diagnosis right now, but it is Acquired, due to some protein my body started producing.

Yours,

Munchie

Testee,

Anytime, I look forward to finding out what they tell you. My first hematologist at the V.A. called me an "enigma", a fancy name for mystery.

Munchie

Hi, gang. Well my early morning H&H still shows blood loss but my PTT is droppng after IVIG. I am again NPO waiting for upper GI EGD. Behind every front door people are struggling, like you all are. And I am lying here waiting for the team to get it altogether. I really do have a dedicated group around me, including all of you, my hospital, my docs and my family. So good luck to you and I am going to get out of here with my plumbing fixed and my coagulation chemistry in good shape!
John the elder

My Hgb is now rising more than second unit of blood would account for, and PTT is still closer to ref. range. So production exceeds loss for the first time in ten days!!! Thank you all for your thoughts. This has been my biggest battle, but after each encounter, the medical team gets closer to a better resolution. For me, IVIG seems to be working! Thank you all!
John the elder

Thanks dkel19307, This was one where I really started to hear the choir singing behind me, but, close to the fork in the roads, I took the less-traveled path and stayed positive. I really think taking care of your health requires you to be a major contributor to the professionals. You can be a professional patient.

I was able to convince one Hematologist to order apherized red blood cells over PRBC and with good reason. He agreed with me on the reasoning. The other thing was to keep your own electronic medical record on your electronics. I log vital signs, staff names, time and meds. It’s just like a diary but it helps organize your questions for the next visit of the specialist.

One special thing that makes this Hospital floor so wonderful, is the way all the staff from custodial to Charge Nurse spontaneously act as a team. Last night my nurse had difficulty understanding the orders for the administration of IVIG (three separate 300 mL bottles, one with six grams of IG and two with 12 g each). She didn’t know if Pharmacy had sent up three days worth or was this all to be given sequentially. I explained what had happened yesterday and we went to the Charge Nurse and the three of us sorted it out. Part of the problem was this was a new medicine on the floor. Another issue was that it takes six hours and there was a shift change. A third issue was the barcode scanner wouldn’t register the barcode. The three of us looked at the Electronic Medical Record and the CN made a call to Pharmacy and it all worked out to my favor. I got the whole dose not just a part. The best part was that I was respectfully listened to and trusted, (although verified). No frustration, embarrassment or drama. We solved that problem and then, ten minutes later there was a major problem with the IV pump not functioning well. My Nurse logically went through each step and discussed it with me (I am a chemist with lots of experience with things like computer controlled pumps) She called the charge nurse again and calmly we repeated all the steps and all went well. I was able to keep from getting upset because the Nurse immediately asked for help (and got it) from her supervisor.

My Excel graph of my Hgb over ten days really made a difference in deciding the treatment to take because as simple as it was to make, it allowed the doc to see the hour to hour changes and since my case was pretty complex the graph allowed inferences to be made that were not apparent in the raw data. (over fifteen measurements) You wouldn’t believe how hard it was to see that the bleeding was slowing down since my system was getting 1000mL of IV fluid every 24 hours and 300 mL of blood. The kidneys couldn’t keep up so the Hgb jumped around. The graph showed us a pattern that demonstrated the bleeding was slow or nil but you needed all the measurements at once to see the pattern

Anyway, my wife will probably bring my clean jeans in tomorrow afternoon!!!

So I am singing (and walking a mile in the corridor) with my cane! I hope you all have a great weekend.
John the elder

In my prayers!

Munchie